Egypt Today, by Mirit Agaiby
CAIRO – 27 February 2018: Becoming a famous woman in the past few days, Zubeida, the woman claimed by the BBC to have disappeared, was actually married and with a newborn. The woman appeared in an interview with famous anchor Amr Adib on his program, “Kol Youm” (Every day) on ON E Monday night.
Sitting with her husband on a cream-colored couch, with their newborn cradled on his father’s lap, Zubeida looked out of place. Docile, fatigued even; yet her demeanor betrayed very little emotions. One difference was intelligible though, she looked a little different than her infamous photo which was broadcasted by the BBC. Dark circles framed her eyes and her face seemed darker in tone. She even dressed differently; no lipstick this time. She wore a long blue veil and what seemed like a long blue abaya as well.
But Zubeida also explained that she had her son, Hamza, 15 days ago. Which can explain the fatigue visible on her face. As for the change in appearance, that can be attributed to her marriage and her religious and political views. Both Zubeida and her husband, Saeed Abdel Azim, appeared extremely indifferent to Adib. Indifferent to his prompting, prying questions.
Their nonchalance and silence prompted Adib to ask further questions. “Were you ever tortured?” Both replied negatively and non-hesitantly. Yet, when Zubeida smiled after Adib directed one of his questions to her husband, Adib remarked: “You’re smiling… you wouldn’t be smiling with us if you had been tortured, right? People who were subjected to torture undergo difficult psychological phases after.”
“I wasn’t tortured,” Zubeida replied quietly.
No stress ticks were visible on either one of Adib’s guests. They were both relaxed, both quiet. They weren’t sweating, shaking, or exhibiting any other signs of distress.
Her husband openly admitted that he was in the Freedom and Justice Party, which was operated by the Muslim Brotherhood. Similarly, Zubeida verified a fact her mother had told to the BBC; they were indeed arrested in a protest in 2014, when they went down to Abdel Moneim Riad street. They were sympathizing with the Muslim Brotherhood, not simply passing by as her mother had claimed; they had gone specifically to participate in the protests.
They were imprisoned for four months, but Zubeida denied any torture claims. When Adib asked her whether her mother had been tortured during her prison sentence, she replied: “I honestly don’t know. I wasn’t with her.”
Even though not explicitly acknowledged, Zubeida made it very clear that she has had no contact with her mother since March 2016. She wasn’t aware that her face and an alleged story of her life were broadcasted worldwide, but she was aware that her mother appeared on one of the Muslim Brotherhood-affiliated channels a year ago, claiming that her daughter was lost.
“So the whole world is looking for you simply because you have a dispute with your mother?” Adib asked incredulously. Zubeida smiled and nodded.
Her husband in particular seemed even less interested in the whole conversation. Trying to wiggle himself out of some questions asking about his political views and whether or not he is a Brotherhood sympathizer, he was nevertheless at ease. He did not break eye contact with Adib, and his posture made it seem as though he felt secure; at home.
So what had the BBC done? What is true and what isn’t?
Had Orla Guerin failed to verify her sources? Did she take the mother’s testament for granted and failed to fact-check it? Did Guerin notice that Zubeida’s eyes were green, not “striking hazel-colored”? It’s a difficult detail to miss; you always look at the eyes first.
Read on here.